Tuesday, March 07, 2017

What the Heck is That?!?

I haven't found any solid rules in 5e D&D for adjudicating Nature and Arcana checks to learn more about monsters. My players (who for whatever reason haven't all run out and purchased a copy of the MM and memorized its contents; I suspect "not being a teenager" to be high on the list of reasons ;) ) ask for these rolls a lot. I certainly don't mind; part of playing under the philosophy that "it's not the DM's job to balance the encounters; it's the players' job to unbalance the encounters in their favor" is giving the players enough information to make intelligent decisions about which encounters they want to tackle and how.

So that means, whenever they encounter an unusual critter, they'll ask what they know about it and I'll ask for either a Nature or Arcana check. Which do I ask for? Arcana for the following creature types:


  • Aberrations
  • Celestials
  • Constructs
  • Elementals
  • Fey
  • Fiends
  • Monstrosities
  • Undead


All the rest us Nature checks; I'll take the highest of either Nature or Arcana for dragons.

So the players roll their dice (usually they all do this) and I start with the second-highest roll ("Ok, the bard knows blah-blah-blah...") and then move to the highest ("... and the wizard can also tell you blah-blah-blah.")

So what do I tell them?

On a roll up to 9:
I tell them they don't know much. I tell them maybe what the thing eats, and a rumor (that I openly label as such) that might be true and says more about the setting than the monster ("The shepherds down by Greenford have trouble with these things coming out of the forest and swiping sheep every three or so years.") and may or may not be true.

(In general, whenever the players make a knowledge check, I tell them something no matter how badly they roll, even if it's not immediately useful.)

10-14:
Either an immunity or resistance, or one major attack or defense the creature has. If it has a defining characteristic (like a displacer beast's illusionary positioning) they'll get that instead.

15-20:
All immunities, resistances, and vulnerabilities, plus one major attack or defense, and any not-obvious forms of locomotion. If they ask, I might tell them about senses, but not give ranges, as well as relative speeds (faster/slower than you).

21-25:
All-of-the-above, plus highest and lowest stats, all senses and their ranges, plus their speeds.

25+:
Pretty much anything they want to know. If they roll above 30, I'm just handing them the book to peruse.

6 comments:

knobgobbler said...

Does a bad roll generate something less factual? Like tall-tales or possibly mixing up rumors about other creatures?
"I've heard those things have diamonds in their gullets!" or "Those things spit poison and can go invisible!"

trollsmyth said...

Yeah, on a roll below 9 I say something like, "Rumor says..." and they're right about 75% of the time.

Ripper X said...

You are too nice, I tell lies, but then again many of my players have memorized the MM. I just describe what they see (or believe that they see), hear, smell, feel, or sometimes taste (yuck); all creatures have local names, if a player starts calling a creature something I'll call it that too, even if it isn't true. I also lie about the number of them because I figure that it is hard to count when a big hairy hulk is trying to put an axe in your head.

trollsmyth said...

Ripper X: most of my "niceness" is driven by practicality. I already don't have as much time to game as I'd like and many of my players are prone to analysis-paralysis. If they knew they couldn't trust what I was telling them, the game would slow to an absolute crawl as they poked at every shadowy corner, oddly-colored floor tile, etc. >.<

For this reason, my dungeons tend to involve easily-mapped square rooms with hallways going in the cardinal directions and completely lacking in sloping passages, secret teleporters or similar confusion-inducing trickiness. I save my complexity (and playtime) for interactions with the NPCs and cultural exploration, where I have the most fun.

Yeah, I'm totally a selfish DM that way. ;)

Ripper X said...

You've got to pick and choose where to focus. My players live for puzzles, sometimes it causes problems. I know that my pace is much slower than the normal, but as long as we are having fun! Great article by the way. Perception and how others handle it is interesting.

trollsmyth said...

Thanks! And yep, totally true. I realize that the way I do things is antithetical to what some think of as core bits of the OSR, but it really works for my groups most of the time.