tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28751902.post5169824801925077152..comments2024-03-26T02:31:48.024-05:00Comments on Trollsmyth: Romance, Sex and D&D: Dragon Sextrollsmythhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01895349218958093151noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28751902.post-90852305064239295632011-01-03T19:53:09.858-06:002011-01-03T19:53:09.858-06:00@Last Poster:
Error. Language circuits overloade...@Last Poster: <br /><br />Error. Language circuits overloade..... <br /><br />What are trying to say?C'nor (Outermost_Toe)https://www.blogger.com/profile/01580315916281876117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28751902.post-4147388904343112642009-04-18T18:23:00.000-05:002009-04-18T18:23:00.000-05:00Oh, I know you can't assume people are OK with...Oh, I know you can't assume people are OK with it - I just consider that kinda fucked up.<br /><br />For some reason, people who otherwise go to R-rated movies, read books with complex relationships and/or graphic sex in them, etc. get a quickie lobotomy when playing in an RPG. I don't just mean no "graphic sex," I mean uncomfortable with the existence of romantic relationships - or as you point out, even other meaningful relationships like having a family.<br /><br />I've thought long and hard about "why this is" but haven't come up with a good answer. Is it that we're emulating a genre that focuses on the orc-slaying and not the other stuff? No, as the examples in this post clearly state - even the "average" fantasy novel, or the "old school" Leiber/Howard/whatnot novel, has way more than 90% of D&D games and those are allegedly the source material.<br /><br />Is it just that people are really shy or conservative? No, in most games I see the "table talk" can be quite foul at times.<br /><br />I mean, the only real answer I'm left with is "gamers are mostly so socially dysfunctional that simulating relationships is uncomfortable for them." I don't really want to think that, but...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28751902.post-16087463158874107812009-04-18T14:03:00.000-05:002009-04-18T14:03:00.000-05:00mxyzlpk: Yeah, well, different strokes for differe...<B>mxyzlpk:</B> Yeah, well, different strokes for different folks. I'm mostly in agreement with you, but it's one of those things that has to be handled carefully. When you sit down to play D&D, there's an unspoken assumption that everyone at the table is cool with the wholesale slaughter of orcs. (This is on of the reasons my father doesn't play.) Romance, sex, rape, even love can't be assumed as "safe" topics to broach. It's perhaps a bit bizarre when observed from a distance, but that's the way it is. The fact that many RPGers consider in-game family to be a source of weakness is very telling.<br /><br />Like you, I prefer a shift in the focus of my games to take these sorts of things into account, but I don't assume my players are interested in that sort of thing, and I'm willing to grant certain players "immunity" from such situations, so long as they're willing to endure the rest of us playing with them.<br /><br /><B>Matthew James Stanham:</B> As I said, different strokes for different folks. I was both a voracious reader in my youth and also harbored a respect for the written word that bordered on worship. The idea of considering something as "inappropriate" was utterly alien to me back then, but then I was also so ignorant of the world I had no inkling of the abyss I was skirting with that attitude. It was probably more luck than level-headedness that got me through those days.trollsmythhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01895349218958093151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28751902.post-6164282583365656792009-04-18T09:23:00.000-05:002009-04-18T09:23:00.000-05:00MA friend of mother would often lend me fantasy bo...MA friend of mother would often lend me fantasy books in my teenage years, and I recall a lot of them had these sorts of scenes, for which I was not quite prepared. The first book I encountered with some graphic sex in it was <I>Mercenaries</I>; I was about eleven and dutifully handed it over to my father, deeming it inappropriate for myself. So, in the main, I usually found myself wanting to get "on with the story" whenever such moments occurred.<br /><br />Anne McCaffery I tried reading at about age twenty, but thought it was so awful that I couldn't even finish the first book,.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05646247954542936623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28751902.post-87705892069824084312009-04-17T20:43:00.000-05:002009-04-17T20:43:00.000-05:00I liked the Guardians of the Flame series too!
Th...I liked the Guardians of the Flame series too!<br /><br />This is one of the reasons I've found that women who overcome the "hump" to get into role-playing often really get into it; "female" fantasy (like the ubiquitous romance novel) has a lot fewer bounds on it. I personally am bothered how much in RPGing, as with fiction, sex or even romance is "fade to black" time. Lame.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28751902.post-39969770051441646072009-04-16T22:20:00.001-05:002009-04-16T22:20:00.001-05:00Dammit. I am such a noob :(Dammit. I am such a noob :(Donny_the_DMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05679820663329606114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28751902.post-68405907825302124222009-04-16T22:20:00.000-05:002009-04-16T22:20:00.000-05:00The link apparently was snipped
http://www.toples...The link apparently was snipped<br /><br />http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/04/worst_fantasy_novel_and_the_winner_is.phpDonny_the_DMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05679820663329606114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28751902.post-70685965758500991272009-04-16T22:18:00.000-05:002009-04-16T22:18:00.000-05:00Thank you for the further commentary :) Though as ...Thank you for the further commentary :) Though as far as sex and fantasy go, toplessrobot did us all one up :)<br /><br />http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/04/worst_fantasy_novel_and_the_winner_is.php<br /><br />wow...words escape any attempt to describe it :)<br /><br />As to the wifey, she's into all that kinky erotic fantasy stuff. She can't understand why I would waste my time reading a book WITHOUT it!<br /><br />It's funny. Old school history, from 500BC till the present has revolved around the burn, rape, and pillage concept...but the R part is all but missing from any mainstream game out there, and any game I have ever played in that DID have it scabbed in (fuck you forever book of erotic fantasy!) was a total disaster.<br /><br />Personally, I am glad it has evolved that way. Just thinking about flipping through an anne rampling story to describe a sex scene between one of my bro's and, well, another one of my bro's with a female character, makes me want to hang up my dice.<br /><br />Don't get me wrong, I'm "into" sex (lol!) but mixing it with my brand of gaming and/or reading makes me a little queasy...maybe like asking advice on anal sex from a priest. On second thought, that may be a poor example...Donny_the_DMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05679820663329606114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28751902.post-24805849081834568562009-04-16T09:03:00.000-05:002009-04-16T09:03:00.000-05:00Chgowiz: Agreed. I can't say enough good about th...<B>Chgowiz</B>: Agreed. I can't say enough good about that series, especially the first novel. I still need to track down a copy of "Not Really the Prisoner of Zenda". I've been holding off, I admit, because I'm more than a bit afraid for one of my favorite characters. :/trollsmythhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01895349218958093151noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28751902.post-63972851255683367942009-04-16T07:53:00.000-05:002009-04-16T07:53:00.000-05:00I think the Guardians of the Flame series is very ...I think the Guardians of the Flame series is very unappreciated. It gave (and still gives) me insight into how magic (and healing potions) would affect a world and gave me a metric for a level of grittiness that didn't take us into Sin City territory.Michael S/Chgowizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052820400496340137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-28751902.post-27784794180645287942009-04-16T03:21:00.000-05:002009-04-16T03:21:00.000-05:00Ursula Vernon did a great post on the antecedents ...Ursula Vernon did <A HREF="http://ursulav.livejournal.com/578058.html" REL="nofollow">a great post</A> on the antecedents of this subject, seen through the filter of fanfic.<br /><br />From the article:<br /><I>I did not, at nine, actually comprehend on any kind of level that homosexuality was something real people did. Like every other girl of my generation, I figured that out from Mercedes Lackey books, and at one point put down the book and went, "Um. Whoa." while the universe carefully re-aligned itself around my newly expanded brain.</I>Perhaps inevitably, she also drew the odd creature of the subconscious that thrives on such psycho-sexually charged weirdness as dragon sex. She calls it <A HREF="http://ursulav.deviantart.com/art/Number-17-Susan-82582482" REL="nofollow">Susan</A>.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04072272223837426211noreply@blogger.com